Musk and Altman go to court

The trial between Elon Musk and OpenAI is officially upon us. And it is going to be a mess. As the two sides fight over the early days of AI, who deserves credit and cash for what, and more, we’re likely to spend the next few weeks hearing a lot of important people’s secrets made extremely public. Which may be exactly what Musk is going for. [Image: https://platform.theverge.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/11/Vergecast-Tile-Large.jpeg?quality=90&strip=all] Verge subscribers, don’t forget you get exclusive access to ad-free Vergecast wherever you get your podcasts. Head here. Not a subscriber? You can sign up here. On this episode of The Vergecast, The Verge’s Liz Lopatto joins the show to explain the origins of this case, how it got to trial, and why Musk is so willingly fighting a battle he’s almost certainly going to lose. Liz will be in the courtroom a lot over the next few weeks, and has some thoughts on what she’s paying attention to — and whether the actual trial is even part of it. After that, The Verge’s Sean Hollister takes us through all the news from last week’s Framework event, at which the company debuted its most impressive laptop yet — without sacrificing the repairability and upgradeability that have won the brand so many fans. Sean has seen the laptops and typed on the keyboards, and has some ideas about where both this company and the PC business, are headed. Sean then sticks around to help David answer a question from the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) about small laptops, particularly the Surface Go, and whether a new generation of chips could make these previously underpowered laptops finally sing. We have some good news on that front. Subscribe: Spotify | Apple Podcasts | Overcast | Pocket Casts | More If you want to know more about everything we discuss in this episode, here are some links to get you started: * Musk vs. Altman is here, and it’s going to get messy * Mark Zuckerberg lies about content moderation to Joe Rogan’s face * A look at the evidence of Elon Musk’s lawsuit against Open AI * Framework announces Laptop 13 Pro, ‘the MacBook Pro for Linux users’ * Framework is building a better couch keyboard because everyone hates the Logitech one * Framework’s first OCuLink eGPUs hack its laptop into a desktop PC * Microsoft Surface Go review: a little goes a long way