Amid attempts to find 'scapegoat' US will have to recognise Taliban regime sooner or later: PM Imran

"But this isn't a rational mindset for a way forward to settle Afghan issue in the long run," he said in an interview with TRT World.

The premier said it is visible from the hearings of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Americans were "completely surprised" by the Taliban coming back to power.

He insisted if the US kept Afghan reserves frozen and the Afghanistan government collapsed in its wake, “the biggest loser will be the people of the country.”

Imran was of the view that the criticism on President Joe Biden for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan had no logic as he could not be blamed for the sudden collapse of Afghan army.

The Taliban movement, the PM said, grew over a period of time in the face of US drone attacks and collateral damage from such attacks. “The American public had no idea what was going on in Afghanistan. Genenral Kayani in 2010 told President Obama that there was no military solution in Afghanistan."

Khan told TRT that his government was in talks with some groups of the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) who are seeking a reconciliation.

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"There are different groups which form the TTP and some of them want to talk to our government for peace. So, we are in talks with them. It’s a reconciliation process," he added.

When asked if the government was asking them to lay down arms, the PM responded: “Yes, we forgive them and they become normal citizens.”

To a question that why the TTP is conducting attacks on Pakistan's security forces when they are in talks with the government, the premier said it was just a spate of attacks.

"We might not reach some sort of conclusion or settlement in the end but we are talking, and we are also talking to Baloch militants for political reconciliation," he added.

PM Imran said Pakistan's security forces launched a big operation in North Waziristan in 2014 and "the TTP doing terrorist attacks was pushed out and they then went into Afghanistan.”

He said the TTP was subsequently helped by Afghan and Indian intelligence agencies.

About term Taliban Khan, the premier said: "You see there was an awful, arrogant, imperialistic attitude of the Americans under George Bush because of his statement ‘either you are with us or against us”. He said he was being dubbed as pro-Taliban since he opposed the US policies.

When the TRT interviwer asked if he was actually "pro-Taliban", Imran Khan insisted he was "anti-military solutions".

"I even objected to my own country using military means for instance in East Pakistan, when we used military to resolve the issue," he said. The prime minister rebuffed US claims of Pakistan being responsible for the Afghan fallout.

"Whenever this anger goes and some rationality appears in the US, they will realise how could Pakistan be responsible for this," said the premier.

If you analyse, he said, the conclusion will be anything except [blame for] Pakistan.

He said Afghans had always resisted foreign occupation, as "their culture is democratic, they don't accept foreign occupation. The collateral damage was there was hatred against the Americans and that hatred translated into more militancy and Taliban became a popular movement in the rural areas."

The prime minister dispelled the impression that his government was trying to interfere in Afghanistan's internal affairs by clamouring for the formation of an inclusive government.

"From Pakistan's point of view, when we say an inclusive government, we recognise that Afghanistan is a multi-ethnic group, as Pashtuns make up around 50pc of the population. Then there is a big Tajik minority then there are Uzbeks, Hazaras, so an inclusive government means stable Afghanistan," he explained.

He said the point of interference could be debated if the Afghan government was given dictation on handpicking certain elements in the government which, according to him, was not the case.

He said the Taliban were in a difficult position, adding that he had no idea "what will happen" in the current situation.

While talking about the human rights situation in Afghanistan, PM Imran said those talking about human rights abuses by the Taliban should also raise their voice against Indian atrocities in occupied Kashmir. "Otherwise they will lose their credibility."

When questioned about growing inflation and the opposition's criticism of his government, the prime minister said Covid-19 had disrupted supplies across the world including Pakistan.

"But this is temporary. Things will settle down once the supplies are resumed," said the PM.

He also called the country's two major political parties — PPP and PML-N — "family limited companies", accusing them of plundering national wealth.

Prime Minister Imran Khan Saturday said that certain quarters in US were unfairly targeting Pakistan for what had happened inside Afghanistan.

In an interview with TRT World, the prime minister said there was complete shock and confusion in US after its troops’ pullout and swift march of Taliban.

He particularly referred to the recent debate on Afghan debacle in the US Senate as the Taliban returned to power after twenty years.

The prime minister said they were ‘seeking scapegoats’ and targeting Pakistan for their confusion and policies, which was unfair.

The Afghan army collapsed and that was what completely surprised the US quarters, he said, adding if Taliban government collapsed, the biggest losers would be the people of Afghanistan.

“They must come up for solution and think about the people of Afghanistan,” he said.

The prime minister cautioned that if the Afghan people were left in the limbo, the crisis was going to deepen.

He maintained that there was danger of looming human crises as the country that had survived on 70 per cent of foreign aid and if this component was left out and unless there was help in the short term, the Taliban would not be able to stand on their feet, ‘so there is greater danger of collapse, chaos and humanitarian crises.’

The prime minister said Pakistan would have been the most affected country if there was chaos.

About recognizing Taliban set up, the prime minister replied that Pakistan government was holding consultations and was in discussion with all the neighbouring countries.

He said the US has to recognize the new reality sooner or later.

An excerpt from the interview was already broadcast by Turkish Tv network on Friday.Prime Minister Khan, to another question, said that during 2017, he met the US leadership and explained to them the situation in Afghanistan, but they were clueless. The US society had no idea of situation in Afghanistan.

What happened now totally took them by surprise. “You see in the US Senate, they have no idea,” he added.

In the past, former chief of army staff General Kiyani had also explained the Afghan situation to the US leadership. The prime minister further elaborated that as immediate neighbour to Afghanistan with strong traditional and ethnic affinities; they knew the history of that country.

He said Pakistan shared borders with Afghanistan where half of the population was Pashtuns, who resided on both sides of the border. There was no military solution to the Afghan issue as Afghan people did not accept foreigners and under their traditions, they sought revenge if someone was killed at their homes, he added. 

To explain his viewpoint, the prime minister said the people inhibiting Pakistani tribal areas started attacking Pakistan, led by groups like Tahreek-i-Taliban (TTP), when the government had decided to side with the US.

While on the Afghan soil, there was a collateral damage and drone attacks which led to swelling of militant ranks. So, Taliban’s movement grew.

The prime minister also denounced former US president George Bush’s threat after the 9/11 attacks asking Pakistan to side with the US. He termed it an ‘imperialistic attitude’ and ‘ridiculous policy’.

If you did not agree with the US policy or its military operations, he said, you were branded as pro-Taliban. Prime Minister Imran Khan said ‘I do not believe in military solutions”.

He said that he was even against Iraq war as use of military force was no solutions to conflicts. The prime minister said in 9/11 attacks, no Pakistani was involved, but the country had to suffer colossal damage in the US led war.

About 80,000 lives were lost, huge chunk of tribal population had been displaced with hundreds of billions of losses to its fragile economy, while its border areas were devastated. Pakistan had made these sacrifices for the US as mere a scapegoat, he added.

He said the well trained 3,00,000 Afghan army fully equipped with weapons could not resist Taliban force, and former president along with his government functionaries fled the country.

The prime minister expressed his optimism that when this angle and rationality appeared, the US would realize how could Pakistan be held responsible for its policies over Afghanistan.

He also strongly rejected the allegations that Pakistan had been assisting Taliban in capturing Afghanistan. The Taliban were seen in Kabul while riding on motorcycles without shoes, he added.

The prime minister while drawing conclusion said that Afghan people had always resisted the foreign forces, and had been very independent minded people. ”You cannot control them from outside like US tried to,” he added.

To another query, he said from Pakistan’s point of view, ‘inclusive government means a stable Afghanistan after four decades of war’.

“As well wishers of Afghan people, we want them to be stable. They could be controlled from outside, it’s a fantasy. Pakistan only suggested there should be an inclusive government, he said, adding Taliban also understood it.  

Prime minister Khan said Afghanistan was home to multi ethnic groups, where Pashtuns were in majority while Tajik, Uzbek and Hazaras were minorities. The prime minister reiterated that Afghan people had been very democratic as they had a decentralized democratic system. 

However, about the recent situation, he said that it was very difficult one. “I do not know what will happen. I pray for peace and stability of Afghanistan,” he added.

About Pak -US ties, the prime minister said the two sides had been constantly in touch with each other.

To a question, he said US president Joe Biden was under a lot of pressure as he was being criticized for the awful airport scenes and the later happenings. Those scenes drew reaction from the US public.

Prime minister Khan maintained that bilateral ties between the two sides had a long history in which there were ups and downs.

He asserted that on Afghanistan, US’ role was critical as it left the country after twenty years of war and spending over 2 trillion dollars.

If there was a mess, like after USSR’s forces’ withdrawal during 90s, it could once against result in bloodbath. If there was a chaos in Afghanistan, the international terrorist outfits could find safe havens there, he cautioned.

About terrorist attacks inside Pakistan, the prime minister said during, 2014, the security forces launched the biggest operation in North Waziristan and pushed out TTP elements towards Afghanistan. There, he said, they were helped by the former Afghan intelligence agency and Indian RAW. They were used to conduct attacks inside Pakistan.

The TTP had recently attacked Chinese workers and other conducted attacks in Balochistan province, he said but expressing his confidence to overcome.

The prime minister also expressed his concerns and fears that members of TTP, even ISIS, could cross over to Pakistan, joining the ordinary Afghan people at the cross border points. The prime minister, however, pointed out that the concern was temporarily and they would counter it.  

To a query, he said Pakistan had been talking with some groups within the TTP, which had been taking place in Afghanistan. “We are in talks with some of the groups on a reconciliation process,” he said.

The prime minister further said that dialogue was the only solution. “I am anti-military solution, and as a politician, I believe political dialogue is the way ahead,” he added.

The prime minister opined that use of drone attacks to fight terrorism in Afghanistan was the most insane thing because when bomb exploded in a village, it could cause a collateral damage as happened near Kabul airport.

These tactics created anti-US sentiments, resulting in increased militant groups in Afghanistan while the affected families also joined those groups to seek avenge, he added.

About the human rights abuses in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK), he said Pakistan had raised the issue at different fora, including the UN, Human Rights and in media.

He stressed that the human rights groups and international community should also take up the rights abuses in IIOJK in the same manner, they had been concerned about the protection of human rights in Afghanistan.

They should not be selective over what was happening in IIOJK as they would lose credibility, he added. He said India had deployed about 800,000 occupation troops in IIOJK who had been indulged in heinous human rights violations, he added.

To a question, the prime minister observed the attempts to form blocks, in the world, could result into another cold war. He wished that it could not happen again because with cooperation and support, the world could gain more.

About Pak-Chinese ties, he said these relations had always been very strong and for the last seventy years, these relations stood tests of time and all the ups and downs.

He said that he frequently held conversations with the Chinese leadership. China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) was heading in the right direction despite the Covid pandemic which had caused disruption throughout the world.

About recent hike in petroleum prices, the prime minister said that Covid pandemic had disrupted supplies all over the world causing hike in the prices of daily commodities.

However, he maintained that prices of petroleum and commodities had been cheaper in Pakistan when compared with the entire region. The prime minister said Pakistan had been affected with the rise in prices of commodities caused by imported inflation.

He said in the international market, the oil price witnessed surge by several times, similarly, price of palm oil had been almost the double, which was caused by imported inflation. The prime minister said the phase was temporary and would subside once the supplies across the globe were restored.

Responding to a question about opposition parties’ criticism of his government, PM Imran said the opposition had been divided and fighting for its survival.

"Their leadership is facing cases of huge corruption and now they are in total disarray," he maintained.